tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post5626907415813826510..comments2024-03-06T06:34:42.881-05:00Comments on EconoSpeak: Blame Skidelsky For The Keynes "Central Plan" FiascoUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-56029257409377650062011-05-12T11:18:45.283-04:002011-05-12T11:18:45.283-04:00IF there was some strategy to drown the message of...IF there was some strategy to drown the message of the video by following a point of debate that makes the whole question less illuminating and interesting, then it worked. <br /><br />[John, you have to preview the comment first, otherwise blogger eats it.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-55410389259644700392011-05-12T10:51:23.551-04:002011-05-12T10:51:23.551-04:00I see my response was unable to be completed. Now ...I see my response was unable to be completed. Now it's lost. Oh well.John Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887847629803262764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-25177531034915941372011-05-11T23:09:21.667-04:002011-05-11T23:09:21.667-04:00John V.,
Sorry, but Hayek never addressed the dis...John V.,<br /><br />Sorry, but Hayek never addressed the distinctions between command and indicative planning. Do you know about these? Hayek's critique was of the full-blown Soviet model: command socialist central planning. This does not equal the sub-categories of that: socialist central planning, command central planning, and just good old "central planning," or just ""central plan" as used in the video, with these guys noting that they did not mind using "central plan" to point out to people Hayek's criticism of command socialist central planning. <br /><br />Do you know the difference between all of these? The differences between them are significant, just in case you did not know. Sorry.Barkley Rosserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114257724762074636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-30882398343865322712011-05-11T18:29:29.780-04:002011-05-11T18:29:29.780-04:00Sorry, Barkley,
But it's not "a nice try...Sorry, Barkley,<br /><br />But it's not "a nice try". It's the truth. <br /><br />Even the quote that you show is not accusing Keynes of being a "Socialist Central Planner". What the video is doing is exactly what John P: Showing Hayek's distaste for central planning....whether the Socialist style or the more generic, "lower case", "top down" flavors that having nothing to do with socialism. <br /><br />To my knowledge, nobody in this prolonged discussion has accused Keynes of being a Socialist Central Planner. The central planning aspects of some of his ideas (which NOBODY has denied) is still a fair point. It is what it is.John Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887847629803262764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-57036475787733353852011-05-11T17:38:48.883-04:002011-05-11T17:38:48.883-04:00John V.,
Nice try, but in his Forbes piece on all...John V.,<br /><br />Nice try, but in his Forbes piece on all this John Papola says the following, while denying later that they wanted to indict Keynes of supporting "socialist central planning" (with John then going on to declare aggregate demand management to still be a form of "central planning"): The line [about "central plan"] is as much an attempt to cue the viewers to the role Hayek played in debunking socialist central planning as it is a dig at the implications of Keynesianism in practice." <br /><br />Hmmm. So, they were aware that they were making some sort of link, even as they deny doing so.<br /><br />BTW, I consider Skidelsky (whom I have met) to be the greatest living scholar of Keynes. However, that does not make him a scholar of Hayek, particularly when he gives an interview in which he makes statements wildly at variance with his one paper on Hayek and Keynes. <br /><br />I also think that John Papola is the more innocent here, although he is open about having strong views. He is a filmaker, not an economist, although getting into various economics debates. I ultimately blame Roberts more than Papola for the fiasco involved here.Barkley Rosserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114257724762074636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-12075882112924174892011-05-11T11:00:14.970-04:002011-05-11T11:00:14.970-04:00Correction:
"is NOT the same as the notion e...Correction:<br /><br />"is NOT the same as the notion employed in the video."John Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887847629803262764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-52765912874733353112011-05-11T10:59:23.241-04:002011-05-11T10:59:23.241-04:00Much-ado-about-nothing continues.
I think it'...Much-ado-about-nothing continues.<br /><br />I think it's been pretty clear, Barkley, that your notion of central planning and the gravity it carries, is the same as the notion employed in the video. <br /><br />It's an innocuous point made by "Hayek" in a comparative contrast to how he views the issue. <br /><br />As has been said, the persistence and pedantic paranoia of Keynesians on this point says far more about Keynesians than it does about Hayek, Russ, John or any Austrian-minded person.John Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01887847629803262764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-6047745098780756592011-05-10T10:20:35.770-04:002011-05-10T10:20:35.770-04:00The linked to video opens with Skidelsky making th...The linked to video opens with Skidelsky making these remarks about what he thought was really motivating Hayek, his dislike of central planning. There is no questioning or framing shown by those who made the video. Skidelsky simply leaps right in with these assertions fully at variance with what he wrote and said in the past and failing to provide a shred of evidence beyond his own opinion. <br /><br />I do not know the degree to which this statement was somehow solicited out of him by those who might have wanted him to make it or not. Much is missing here, but he said it, and Papola and Roberts have publicly used these statements to justify what was put into the video.Barkley Rosserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114257724762074636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-31516633421234047592011-05-10T05:46:38.489-04:002011-05-10T05:46:38.489-04:00I agree - don't blame Skidelsky. Russ is a pro...I agree - don't blame Skidelsky. Russ is a professor of economics. He should know better.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192667997950934790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-66710825494245103722011-05-09T18:39:47.475-04:002011-05-09T18:39:47.475-04:00Barkley,
I'm a bit confused by your posting.
...Barkley,<br /><br />I'm a bit confused by your posting.<br /><br />Unless I'm misunderstanding something we have:<br />(1) In the video Skidelsky said Hayek did NOT believe Keynes supported central planning.<br />(2) "Hayek" in the video asserts "Keynes" has a central plan. This is contrary to what Skidelsky said.<br />(3) But Skidelsky is to somehow blame for the "Hayek" assertion that Keynes has a central plan.<br /><br />Is the above what you're saying?Eric Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15203445183335588318noreply@blogger.com