tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post4121779210912570962..comments2024-03-06T06:34:42.881-05:00Comments on EconoSpeak: Post-Putsch: Why There Should Be Consequences for Enablers of the Capitol InvasionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-37375870526353794552021-01-10T23:03:42.137-05:002021-01-10T23:03:42.137-05:00House Moves to Force Trump Out, Vowing Impeachment...<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/trump-impeachment.html?smid=tw-share" rel="nofollow">House Moves to Force Trump Out, Vowing Impeachment if Pence Won’t Act</a><br /><br />NY Times - January 10<br /><br />Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House would formally call on <br />Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to <br />strip President Trump of power, and move to impeach the <br />president if he refused.<br /><br />WASHINGTON — The House moved on two fronts on Sunday to try to force President Trump from office, escalating pressure on the vice president to strip him of power and committing to quickly begin impeachment proceedings against him for inciting a mob that violently attacked the seat of American government.<br /><br />In a letter to colleagues, Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said the House would move forward on Monday with a resolution calling on Vice President Mike Pence and the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment, and wrest the powers of the presidency. She called on Mr. Pence to respond “within 24 hours” and indicated she expected a Tuesday vote on the resolution.<br /><br />Next, she said, the House would bring an impeachment case to the floor. Though she did not specify how quickly it would move, leading Democrats have suggested they could press forward on a remarkably quick timetable, charging Mr. Trump by midweek with “high crimes and misdemeanors.”<br /><br />“In protecting our Constitution and our democracy, we will act with urgency, because this president represents an imminent threat to both,” she wrote. “As the days go by, the horror of the ongoing assault on our democracy perpetrated by this president is intensified and so is the immediate need for action.”<br /><br />Ms. Pelosi’s actions effectively gave Mr. Pence, who is said to be opposed to the idea, an ultimatum: use his power under the Constitution to force Mr. Trump out by declaring him unable to discharge his duties, or make him the first president in American history to be impeached twice.<br /><br />Far from capitulating, Mr. Trump made plans to proceed as if the last five earth-shattering days had simply not happened at all. But momentum in Washington was shifting decisively against him. ...Fred C. Dobbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-7086781580186926262021-01-10T22:49:22.251-05:002021-01-10T22:49:22.251-05:00Pelosi says House will impeach Trump unless VP for...<a href="https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/10/nation/clyburn-says-impeachment-vote-is-expected-this-week-house-may-delay-sending-senate/?event=event25" rel="nofollow">Pelosi says House will impeach Trump unless VP forces ouster</a><br /><br />via @BostonGlobe - January 10<br /><br />WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Sunday the House will proceed with legislation to impeach President Donald Trump as she pushes the vice president and Cabinet to invoke constitutional authority to force him out, warning that Trump is a threat to democracy after the deadly assault on the Capitol.<br /><br />Pelosi made the announcement in a letter to colleagues, saying the House will first vote to push Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the powers of the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office. After 24 hours, she said, the House would proceed with legislation on impeachment. Trump could become the only president to be impeached twice.<br /><br />“In protecting our Constitution and our Democracy, we will act with urgency, because this President represents an imminent threat to both,” she said, and added: “The horror of the ongoing assault on our democracy perpetrated by this President is intensified and so is the immediate need for action.”<br /><br />On Monday, Pelosi’s leadership team will seek a vote on a resolution calling on Pence and Cabinet officials to invoke the 25th Amendment.<br /><br />With the House not in session, there is likely to be an objection to its consideration. Pelosi would then put the resolution before the full House on Tuesday. If it were to pass, Pence and the Cabinet would have 24 hours to act before the House would move toward impeachment.<br /><br />With impeachment planning intensifying, pressure was mounting for Trump to leave office even before his term ended amid alarming concerns of more unrest ahead of the inauguration.<br /><br />Two Republican senators have now said they want Trump to resign immediately in the wake of deadly riots at the Capitol. The president whipped up the mob that stormed the Capitol, sent lawmakers into hiding and left five dead.<br /><br />Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania on Sunday joined Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska in calling for Trump to “resign and go away as soon as possible.” ...<br /><br />Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania on Sunday joined Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska in calling for Trump to “resign and go away as soon as possible.”<br /><br />“I think the president has disqualified himself from ever, certainly, serving in office again,” Toomey said. “I don’t think he is electable in any way.”<br /><br />A growing number of lawmakers want to prevent him from ever again holding elected office. ...<br /><br />Murkowski, who has long voiced her exasperation with Trump’s conduct in office, told the Anchorage Daily News on Friday that Trump simply “needs to get out.” A third, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., did not go that far, but on Sunday he warned Trump to be “very careful” in his final days in office.<br /><br />During an interview on “60 Minutes” aired Sunday, Pelosi invoked the Watergate era when Republicans in the Senate told President Richard Nixon, “It’s over.”<br /><br />“That’s what has to happen now,” she said.Fred C. Dobbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-66335409316602943962021-01-10T17:06:23.276-05:002021-01-10T17:06:23.276-05:00Police officers who traveled to Washington are bei...<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/capitol-police.html?smid=tw-share" rel="nofollow">Police officers who traveled to Washington are being investigated for connection to the Capitol melee</a><br /><br />NY Times - January 8<br /><br />Police departments across the country have suspended officers or referred them to internal reviews for attending the events on Jan. 6 in Washington that devolved into an assault on the U.S. Capitol.<br /><br />The commanding officers or officials involved in the cases in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington State stressed that while the officers attended as private citizens, the question of whether they broke the law would be investigated. ...Fred C. Dobbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-2322743039836034472021-01-10T16:40:31.899-05:002021-01-10T16:40:31.899-05:00The failure is that of not precluding what could h...The failure is that of not precluding what could have happened. Too, too damned close to bringing America down for a POS.ken melvinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-47112144034962215132021-01-09T17:29:43.665-05:002021-01-09T17:29:43.665-05:00Thanks, Sophist. Not surprised to hear this, espe...Thanks, Sophist. Not surprised to hear this, especially the presence of cops in the mob. As I tried to indicate in the OP, this is why *any* right-wing putsch or similar adventure has to be taken seriously. When we go from ballots to demos to takeovers to bullets, it's all about which side the security forces are on.<br /><br />But it's still factually wrong, as far as I can tell, to claim that the invasion in any encompassing sense was a terrorist event. I don't even get why we would want to use the t-word when it's more than enough to say the explicit goal was to prevent the removal of a president after he had been voted out of office. It's sort of like the way some people have to call every act of violence or aggression genocide, as if just calling it murder or suppression is an indication of deficient political consciousness.<br /><br />Enough hyperbole.Peter Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00093399591393648071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-35208223065427848502021-01-09T17:14:47.154-05:002021-01-09T17:14:47.154-05:00Peter, maybe this will influence your thinking: ht...Peter, maybe this will influence your thinking: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-mob<br /><br />Pull-quote: “That was a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us," he said. "They had radios, we found them, they had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash bangs ...They were prepared. They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military,” the veteran said, referring to two suspected pipe bombs that were found outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee.<br /><br />The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed the badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help.The Sophisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14548019918360204530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-6369569011943285332021-01-09T16:40:06.062-05:002021-01-09T16:40:06.062-05:00Once upon a time GG did some publicly useful thing...Once upon a time GG did some publicly useful things, notably with releasing the Snowden stuff. More recently he has been a tool of right wing propagandists all too often.rosserjb@jmu.eduhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09300046915843554101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-71717690848668572352021-01-09T15:39:08.681-05:002021-01-09T15:39:08.681-05:00I don't "disagree" with Glenn Greenw...I don't "disagree" with Glenn Greenwald anymore. I ignore his disingenuous, objectively pro-Trump propaganda. Greenwald is Kevin McCarthy or Mario Rubio in drag. Sandwichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159060882083015637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-66760029654876740452021-01-09T15:34:08.723-05:002021-01-09T15:34:08.723-05:00Peter: Unlike you, I almost never find myself agr...Peter: Unlike you, I almost never find myself agreeing with GG! However, I almost always find myself agreeing with you. Your point #4 in your previous post on this attack on democracy is paradigmatically lucid -kevin quinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04880872194080353414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-53330752494504299482021-01-09T15:26:43.822-05:002021-01-09T15:26:43.822-05:00"There have been armed people at anti-racism ..."There have been armed people at anti-racism demos": sure, but the organizers of the demos almost invariably both denounce those armed people, and do whatever they can to exclude them. These armed people are completely welcome; hell, the rhetoric of these groups celebrates them.<br /><br />Also, the *point* of terrorism is to change policy, to effect political change, thru violence. And in *fact* there were elements of this force who were actively seeking out legislators, and certainly the chanting "Hang Pence" tells us they were serious about violence. When one of the groups encountered the protective detail guarding the VP, they were only dissuaded after meeting deadly force.<br /><br />If you were going to attempt to decapitate the chain of succession (#2, #3, #4), how would you do it? Unless you could actually muster a significant military force, a good way of doing it would be to encourage a rabble to rise up, and insert your team in the midst, to perform your mission; if you fail to find your target, you can always sneak back out, again under cover of that rabble.<br /><br />One thing that really worries me, is that we're not going to catch all the participants: and the ones we're least likely to catch are the ones we should most worry about, b/c best-organized and -disciplined.The Sophisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14548019918360204530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-8419749662904567442021-01-09T15:08:06.010-05:002021-01-09T15:08:06.010-05:00S-man: There have been armed people at anti-racism...S-man: There have been armed people at anti-racism demos too. An individual may be terrorist or not, but a group of individuals can have varying proportions.Peter Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00093399591393648071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4900303239154048192.post-78767222013977564532021-01-09T14:19:56.428-05:002021-01-09T14:19:56.428-05:00"it was mostly unarmed"
Except for thos..."it was mostly unarmed"<br /><br />Except for those who were armed and carried zip ties to shackle hostages with. As with pregnancy there is no such thing as "only a little bit terrorist."Sandwichmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159060882083015637noreply@blogger.com